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Title: Dash Pad Coming Off
Post by: Cokeologist on June 22, 2013, 07:53:19 PM
The dash pad on my Aztek (the part that goes from the instrument cluster housing and vents back towards the windshield) no longer tucks under the instrument cluster housing and is separating from what is underneath (see pics below).  The instrument cluster housing is secure, so it is not due to the instrument cluster housing pulling away.  The dash pad will no longer tuck below the lip edge of the instrument cluster.  Does anyone have experience with how to repair this?  Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

(http://www.66mustang.net/images/aztek1.JPG)

(http://www.66mustang.net/images/aztek2.JPG)

(http://www.66mustang.net/images/aztek3.JPG)



Title: Re: Dash Pad Coming Off
Post by: Cokeologist on July 13, 2013, 06:15:16 AM
Can no one help here??


Title: Re: Dash Pad Coming Off
Post by: pcf on September 01, 2013, 12:34:49 PM
Can no one help here??

Same exact problem with ours. Haven't decided how to tackle it yet.


Title: Re: Dash Pad Coming Off
Post by: HulkakaJose on September 04, 2013, 10:28:32 PM
Have you checked if the screws are missing?


Title: Re: Dash Pad Coming Off
Post by: Cokeologist on September 09, 2013, 08:07:58 PM
Have you checked if the screws are missing?

What screws?  There are no screws that attach the dash cover, at least not where mine is detached (see pics). 


Title: Re: Dash Pad Coming Off
Post by: HulkakaJose on September 10, 2013, 01:20:17 PM
You have to remove a couple pieces to get access to them the shifter piece, the radio bezel, and I think the big gray plastic underneath the steering wheel. Then at the ends of the instrument cluster plastic holder you will see two or three screws, tighten those up and see if that solves your problem.  I know there are screws because the other day I took all my plastic parts off to get access to where the vin# is because I dropped my School parking pass in there and no way i could get it out with out opening everything. If I sound complicated just let me know and i will try to upload some pictures.


Title: Re: Dash Pad Coming Off
Post by: Cokeologist on September 11, 2013, 05:58:17 PM
You have to remove a couple pieces to get access to them the shifter piece, the radio bezel, and I think the big gray plastic underneath the steering wheel. Then at the ends of the instrument cluster plastic holder you will see two or three screws, tighten those up and see if that solves your problem.  I know there are screws because the other day I took all my plastic parts off to get access to where the vin# is because I dropped my School parking pass in there and no way i could get it out with out opening everything. If I sound complicated just let me know and i will try to upload some pictures.

Thanks very much for the idea, but the instrument cluster plastic holder hasn't moved and isn't loose.


Title: Re: Dash Pad Coming Off
Post by: diceallion on September 27, 2013, 05:51:05 AM
Thats weird...  The only thing that I can think of is that it is sun damaged and warped!  For me its the next piece above that one, the onle closer to the windshield is lifting, no longer stays down flush to the pad.


Title: Re: Dash Pad Coming Off
Post by: 97drexelgrad on September 28, 2013, 06:42:17 AM
wait...

if you leave repair advice up to Diceallion, he will tell you to get out a sawzall and cut it off.  Like his Versatrak system


Title: Re: Dash Pad Coming Off
Post by: Cokeologist on September 30, 2013, 06:11:14 PM
Yes, I think it has shrunk due to sun exposure.  Unfortunately this part is no longer available from GM and my dealership's attempt to fix did not work.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.


Thats weird...  The only thing that I can think of is that it is sun damaged and warped!  For me its the next piece above that one, the onle closer to the windshield is lifting, no longer stays down flush to the pad.



Title: Re: Dash Pad Coming Off
Post by: diceallion on February 07, 2014, 06:56:21 PM
Scary when you know me too well.

wait...

if you leave repair advice up to Diceallion, he will tell you to get out a sawzall and cut it off.  Like his Versatrak system


Title: Re: Dash Pad Coming Off
Post by: Cokeologist on March 24, 2014, 06:30:58 PM
Yes, I think it has shrunk due to sun exposure.  Unfortunately this part is no longer available from GM and my dealership's attempt to fix did not work.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.


Thats weird...  The only thing that I can think of is that it is sun damaged and warped!  For me its the next piece above that one, the onle closer to the windshield is lifting, no longer stays down flush to the pad.


Still trying to find a solution for this problem.

Has anyone tried a dash mat on their Aztek, such as the below?  I am a bit leery as to proper fit, but if anyone has experience with these and can share, I would be appreciative (and pics would be helpful).

http://www.carid.com/2001-pontiac-aztek-dash-covers/coverking-dash-cover-3859829.html (http://www.carid.com/2001-pontiac-aztek-dash-covers/coverking-dash-cover-3859829.html)


Title: Re: Dash Pad Coming Off
Post by: GTABill on March 25, 2014, 01:10:26 PM
I don't know if this would be a solution, but the door handles on a third gen f-body will curl like that and there is a person over there that has figured out how to repair them and I thought the same process might work on the dash pad.  Here is the link to the article.  If anything, it might give you an idea of how to tackle it.


http://www.thirdgen.org/armrest


Title: Re: Dash Pad Coming Off
Post by: pcf on April 23, 2014, 06:16:28 PM
I decided to try the door handle solution. I do not yet know if it will work, but I bought some vinyl clamps from Harbor Freight to hold it in position before I glued it. Today was a hot day and hit about 87. When I removed the two clamps, the pad was stuck back fairly well without me adding glue.

I went ahead and ripped it back and used the epoxy and clamped it back. I wish I'd bought 4 clamps. One suggestion for people trying to do a really good job is to collect some pipe or dowels to put in the curved spots like between the vents.  Have lots of weighty stuff to place on the dash.

I really couldn't pull the dash pad back toward the driver enough for a perfectly clean look, but i mostly wanted it flat and close.



Title: Re: Dash Pad Coming Off
Post by: GTABill on May 01, 2014, 08:09:12 AM
Do you have any pics of the end results??


Title: Re: Dash Pad Coming Off
Post by: capetek on May 11, 2014, 02:34:31 PM
I tried the JB Weld solution and its working so far. I waited until the hottest part of the day so the dash pad was soft and easy to work with. I used the quick dry formula. I jammed thin strips of wood (paint stirring sticks that I'll call jam sticks) between the windshield and Dash pad to apply pressure to the dash pad while the adhesive dried. I didn't actually have these jam sticks pressing down directly on the dash pad as that might damage the material so I laid the extra strips of wood down on the dash pad so the jam sticks were pressing on the wood and not the dash pad. The benefit of using pain sticks was that they bend a little and that made this process easier. The new problem was the dash pad shrunk and I could not pull it enough to cover the entire dash surface and that left a gap. Result after JB Weld dried.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7302/13976375648_1e02dd9d8e.jpg)

To cover the gap I cut a long strip from a piece of house siding bottom rail that I found at the Lowes. Here is the material.
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2910/13976375668_55468bb01b.jpg)

With the factory edge towards the windshield I slid the plastic strip under the top lip of the instrument panel trim plate to fit it. I left it in place for a few hours in the heat before taking it out for painting. By leaving it in place it kept its new shape making it easier to fit back in place after painting. Here is the strip before painting.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7347/13976590090_bddc421367.jpg)

Here is the painted strip in place. If I took more time fitting and cutting the plastic strip it would look a lot better, but this is good enough for now.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7415/13976572899_a645b00835.jpg)

Dave
2003 Aztek


Title: Re: Dash Pad Coming Off
Post by: pcf on August 06, 2014, 11:46:36 AM
That is a great idea and a nice look. I have just been living with the gap. 



Title: Re: Dash Pad Coming Off
Post by: 2Azteks on August 08, 2014, 06:07:00 PM
That's about as good as it is going to get. I have a 2001 that did that and I eventually glued it down with either contact cement or weatherstrip adhesive, I forget which. The pad had definitely shrunk. I just live with the gap. The elegant thing to do would be to put some sort of homemade rim piece over the gap that will itself not come up.

The only way to actually fix it is to replace the dash. The dash pad is not separate. The dash, as somebody mentioned is unavailable but if it was, the price was $1100 from the dealer. I thought I might get one from the junkyard, where they are plentiful. The problem is, it took me 5 hours of continuous work to get it out. And EVERYTHING in the front of the car has to be disassembled. The shifter cable goes through it. Everything, A/C, Radio, wiring, steering column, instrument cluster, console, is either attached to it or goes through it. And I wasn't exactly being meticulous when it took 5 hours to get it out. So to pull the old one, make sure all the wires and routing and clips and everything was marked and documented and to be careful not to strip or break anything, would have taken me 15 hours more hours to pull the shrunken one and replace it with a good one. In the end, I decided to live with the gap.

But now I have a similar problem with my other Aztek. I took the trim off the dash to send the instrument cluster out for repair and while I was waiting to get it back, the 140 degrees inside the car separated the dash pad from the dash. The pad is not shrunk, but it is separated a good 6 or 8 inches back and pretty wide and the old glue has no adhesion at all. Whatever glue I used on the one with the gap was only sort of OK. A year later it is coming up a quarter inch here or there on the front edge of the gap. I am reluctant to use a rigid epoxy like JB weld so I am looking at various forums and they seem to like DAP Weldwood in a spray can or a gallon can. Since I know the edge on this one will tuck back under the trim edge, because it is NOT shrunk, I am temped to just use the weatherstrip adhesive or rubber cement and smear it in the gap with my finger and whatever thin tool I can get back in there with.  There is no way to get the old glue off either surface, so you are really gluing glue to glue, not vinyl to the resin dash.

Any opinions on the best adhesive for this?

By the way, both of my Azteks had the Versatrak failure. #1 got a replacement from the junkyard.  #2 had the thing removed and discarded. Except for having to live with the warning light, #2 is the better solution. Nobody rebuilds them, they are crap, the junkyard one will fail eventually also, and a new one from the dealer costs $3300.


Title: Re: Dash Pad Coming Off
Post by: pumba on August 15, 2016, 12:17:51 PM
My wife has a 2001 that she just loves. It has 192,000 miles on it and is still going strong. The dash pad has started to shrink and sticks up in the front. I saw a post from a few years ago. Has anyone had any luck gluing this back down and if so what did you use? I have taken it to an upholstery and body shop and can't seem to get any help. The body shop told me to use a non expanding gorilla glue. Someone else suggested liquid nails. Any ideas out there?


Title: Re: Dash Pad Coming Off
Post by: Kemzer on October 18, 2017, 07:26:38 AM
I have the same problem with my 2002 Aztek. What I would like to do is to get my hands on a little, "DAP Weldwood Contact Adhesive, Landau Top and Trim, High Heat Resistant Contact Cement.  Take a heat gun and see if the dashpad could maybe stretch a little, apply the Dap and then take ziplock bags filled with sand to lay on top of the dash pad to hold it down while the contact adhesive sets up. That is my dream for Pac-Man.


Title: Re: Dash Pad Coming Off
Post by: Pontiac6KSTEAWD on September 04, 2018, 06:33:37 PM
Late to the party on this one.

Your above solutions are about the only real fix available thats low cost, and easy.

The other alternative is to find a Aztek in a salvage yard, thats in good shape, and replace it. Its about a 5 hour job, but can be done. 2 bolts down by the fuse panel are a real pain in the ass thou. its what we did. Our Tek is now mostly a garage queen until our newborn gets to school age and momma goes back to work, so it will hold for a few years yet.


Title: Re: Dash Pad Coming Off
Post by: Tronman on January 08, 2019, 12:42:19 AM
The plastic trim strip idea is awesome-and it looks great!

I live in the PNW where it doesn't get hot enough for this to happen, at least it hasn't yet.

WRT the Versatrak issue, I guess I'm lucky mine's still good at 231K miles.  I just change the expensive fluid every several years..  it's groaning again so I need to do that soon.  Someday it will fail, but I will rebuild it as I've rebuilt other limited slip differentials before, it can't be that tough.  Should probably buy the overhaul kit while I still can.


Title: Re: Dash Pad Coming Off
Post by: Pontiac6KSTEAWD on January 09, 2019, 10:39:05 AM
The plastic trim strip idea is awesome-and it looks great!

I live in the PNW where it doesn't get hot enough for this to happen, at least it hasn't yet.

WRT the Versatrak issue, I guess I'm lucky mine's still good at 231K miles.  I just change the expensive fluid every several years..  it's groaning again so I need to do that soon.  Someday it will fail, but I will rebuild it as I've rebuilt other limited slip differentials before, it can't be that tough.  Should probably buy the overhaul kit while I still can.

Its actually not possible from my readings and understandings. The internals are not available.