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Author Topic: Aftermarket Leather Seats  (Read 4854 times)
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Newfie Hauler
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« on: September 16, 2004, 05:57:11 AM »

I am interested in some of the aftermarket leather seats (Katzkin and the like) and I was wondering if anyone that has had them installed also had side impact air bags.  I assume that the new leather covering does not cover the module, but that it is trimmed out, just like the factory leather.  I really would like to do this mod, but am concerned that they may not be fitted for side air bags.  Anyone know?  Coop? Rylowe? Others?


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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2004, 06:25:39 AM »

I don't have the leather ones, but do have the neoprene type.  If you are careful, you can tuck them behind the side impact airbags.  
I really cannot speak for the leather ones.
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rylowe
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2004, 03:07:36 PM »

Yes the Katzkin leather does allow for the side airbags. Everything functions as it should after the change to leather. It makes the seats alot more comfortable as well.  
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rylowe
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2004, 03:08:12 PM »

Note that I'm not sure about any other aftermarket leather, but the Katzkin for sure does allow for airbags.
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2004, 11:37:38 AM »

I bought a set of 01 leather electric Aztek seats with airbags for my 01 1sb originally equipped with manual cloth seats with airbags. Installing the seats was easy and went smoothly. The wiring harness plug that supplies power to the airbag sensor also feeds power to the 4-way electrical seat adjustment but not the seat warmer.  The electric 4-way positioning works great.
  Who knows how much of an effort or expense it would be to get power to the seat warmers?  
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2004, 12:39:43 PM »

Expense wise, I would say very little.  So you have the heated leather seats now?  You just don't have that as an option on the vehicle itself?  

As far as the hassle, it would take some good electronic skills to do it safely.  It's actually really simple, but I'm not sure if there is some control module that needs to be installed first or if you could just run wire from the battery to a fust to a switch and then to the seat.  Which really that wouldn't be much work, it would just take some time, possibly a good 3-4 hours to do.  You just wouldn't have control over the heat level of the seat and that's where I would think a control module would ne needed.  Newfie, any idea on this?
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Newfie Hauler
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2004, 09:49:21 AM »

To duplicate the factory setup ight be kind of complex.  It is connected to the BCM.  Its major components are the swtches in the IP Switchbank, the heated seat modules, the heated seat Thermisters (one on each side), two Positive TemperatureCoefficient Circuit Breakers, one circuit breaker in the center console fuse block (same as power seats), two heated seat relay modules and the heated seat elements.  I was not able to determine if most of those components are a part of the heated seat assembly or if they are mounted elsewhere in the vehicle.

I would really have to look at one of the heated seats to determine how easy it would be to add it to a non-heated seat equipped vehicle.  I would assume that most of the parts are there, but without seeing it I would not want to guess.

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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2004, 10:32:56 AM »

Newfie and Jedi,
    Thanks a bunch for considering this issue. Wow, this sounds way out of my league. Guess you gave me my answer, i.e. not simple or inexpensive to do, but if you find out any additional information in the future, just post it. Again, thanks.
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Newfie Hauler
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2004, 10:15:39 AM »

JAztek,

I got to thinking about this a little more.  I know that GM included some of the wiring harnesses and connectors for other options in our vehicles, instead of building up multiple harnesses.  I am wondering if all the wiring and the devices are there and all that you might have to do now is add a switch to the center console switchbank?  I will have to check to see what kind of connector would be found open once you pull that panel off the instrument panel and what the color codes to the wires might be.  Then the next step would be, are they live?  If they are, all you might have to do then is plug in the switch, mount it and you might have the heated seats.  I will post information on what I find out about the connector and then we can see if anyone that has taken this panel off of the IP has encountered this connector.

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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2004, 02:14:53 PM »

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plug in the switch, mount it and you might have the heated seat

Newf,
That's kinda what i was wishfully thinking. You are a priceless resource for all of us. Thank you.
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Newfie Hauler
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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2004, 12:13:47 PM »

JAztek,

I was doing some research into this and it appears that there are a few different wiring configurations.  If I could have you look under your seats.  First how many electrical connectors do you see?  Please look very hard, as some are somewhat hidden.  You should have two to three. One will be yellow, ignore that one, that is for your Side Impact Air Bags, we don't want to touch that one.

Next, what color wires are on each side of the connectors (best guess as some colors are hard to distinguish under there).  Some may not be solid colors (stripes etc.).

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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2004, 03:11:02 PM »

Thanks Newf for your time,
  First of all, I uploaded 3 photos of the underseat wiring into my gallery. I can try to take more if/when you need more specificity. I'll try to describe best as I can:

   The bundle of wires coming through the carpet splits into 2 groups going to the seat. One group (#1) goes to the yellow airbag connector  and one group (#2) goes to a black connector - This group has orange & black and blue & black wires. I donít see any other connectors or group of wires coming from the floor of the vehicle.

From the back of this black connector, a bundle of at least 4 wires (dark green, light blue, light green, and tan) (group #3) are visible, but there maybe 1 or 2 more wires in this group that I canít see from my view point. This group is wrapped with black electrical tape and joins another group of wrapped wires toward the back of the seat.

There are three pairs of wires exiting a black squarish box (some kind of electrical box or transformer mounted on the base framing of the seat).  Each pair consists of one striped red and one striped yellow wire, so that red/white is paired with yellow/white, red/blue with yellow/blue, red/green with red/green (group#4). These wires go to another connector or set of connectors ? and then join the green/blue/tan bundle of wires (#3) toward the back of the seat.

At that point toward the back of the seat, the wiring gets fairly confusing-donít know what the heck Iím seeing. Wish that I had taken photos before installing.  Hope this is helpful. Will try to find out and answer further detail if needed.
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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2004, 11:00:07 AM »

PS Newfie,  I'll try to take a better photo that would give you further info if you see something in my other 2 pics in my gallery.  
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Newfie Hauler
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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2004, 11:18:28 AM »

JAztek,

Thank you for posting the pictures.  They are a big help.  Unfortunately, my service manual is at home today.  I will check it tonight and post back what I find.

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Newfie Hauler
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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2004, 11:06:33 AM »

JAztek,

Ok, let me try to answer your question.  

First of all the dark green, light blue, (should also be a dark blue), light green and tan wires you speak of are the wires from the power seat adjuster switch to the power seat motor.  The red/white, yellow/white, red/blue, yellow, blue, red/green and yellow green are also for the power seats.

It appears that there would be another set of wires there for the heated seats.  They use the same orange power feed (from the PWR STS Circuit Breaker located in the Center Console Fuse Panel) and the same black wires (grounds).  The switches for the instrument panel are fed from the BCM via a light green wire.  From the switches, the driver's switch runs a light blue wire to that black connector and from the passenger switch it runs a light blue and black striped wire to the connector.  On the other side of that connector there should be a solid red and a solid white wire that route to the heated seat module.

Based on what I am seeing in the service manual and what you described, the wiring is not there.  I should think that an experienced automotive electrician could wire up the heated seats with two factory switches and two positive temperature coefficient (PTC) Circuit breakers (one for each seat).  I don't think I would recommend this for someone who has only basic experience.

If you are able to find someone that is willing to attempt it, please contact me, I can supply them with additional information.
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