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 on: January 22, 2019, 09:37:24 AM 
Started by Pontiac6KSTEAWD - Last post by Pontiac6KSTEAWD
I messaged him, see if he responds. I have the ability to host, and admin (already admin 4 other forums). Might have to up my bandwidth alotment, but thats not to big of an issue. The issue is, is there enough interest in even keeping the forums open?
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 on: January 22, 2019, 01:11:04 AM 
Started by Pontiac6KSTEAWD - Last post by BlueGT
Doing a whois search, seems the domain expires in March.

I believe this would be the gentleman you need to speak with: https://www.facebook.com/tom.moog
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 on: January 15, 2019, 10:03:32 AM 
Started by phififofum - Last post by Pontiac6KSTEAWD
I hear ya on FaceBook. But it seems to be the only source for live information. This forum is all but dead, and we get waves of spam from time to time. Forum mods arent even here anymore.
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 on: January 14, 2019, 07:49:54 PM 
Started by phififofum - Last post by reggind
Thank you for the feedback.  Sadly, I flat out refuse to use facebook.  However it was not raining out this afternoon so I went out with my ohmeter and a AAA cell and did a lot of checking things.  I have no idea what is up with the amp.  It may not be getting a turn on signal, or it may be cooked.  I can not rell you how dumb I think GM was for not making the input and output of the amp on compatable connectors so if you wanted to bypass the amp you could just plug the two of them together and be done with it, but I digress.

So an afternoons worth of orobing has got me this.  Sadly without seeing the speakers I can not get the phase (+/-) of it.  But here is what I got.

24 pin connector on radio   24 pin connector on amp  Notes
2                                           7                                         Right Front drive from head
3                                           8                                         Right Front drive from head
4                                           10                                       Left Rear drive from head
5                                           9                                         Left Rear drive from head
14                                        11                                        Right Rear drive from head
15                                        12                                        Right Rear drive from head
16                                        6                                          Left Front drive from head
17                                        5                                          Left Front drive from head
                                            1                                          Left front door speaker input
                                            2                                          Left front door speaker input
                                            3                                          Right front door speaker input
                                            4                                          Right front door speaker input
                                            13                                        Left rear door speaker input
                                            14                                        Left rear door speaker input
                                            15                                        Right rear door speaker input
                                            16                                        Right rear door speaker input
                                            17                                        Right Tweeter input?
                                            18                                        Right Tweeter input?
                                            19                                        Left Tweeter input?
                                            20                                        Left Tweeter input?
                                            21                                        Right hatchback speaker input
                                            22                                        Right hatchback speaker input
                                            23                                        Left hatchback speaker input
                                            24                                        Left hatchback speaker input

Notes:  The drive polarity on the radio connector should be the standard and it should follow the wires I ohmed out to the amp connector.  I was working alone so I am not 100% sure of the right/left of all the speakers.  I was working under the drivers side of the dash while figuring them out.  You can check the polarity if you have a helper.  Use a coupe of pieces of solid hook up wire and stick them in the connector pair for a speaker.  Say pins 23 and 24 on the amp connector for the left hatchback speaker.  have a friend GENTLY insert something stiff through the grill until it touches the speakers cone.  Do not poke through the cone, and do not hold the piece firmly in your hand.  Now put a small AA or AAA battery across the wires to the speaker.  In one direction the battery will make the speaker cone extend out.  The plus terminal of the battery is going to the + terminal of the speaker.  If the speaker cone "sucks" in, the + terminal of the battery is going to the - terminal of the speaker.  Note that as soon as you disconnect the battery it will retreat back to the "center" position.  You need 2 people to do this, one to work the battery and one to watch the speaker.  On the radio connector I did not elaborate on all the other stuff that is there.  This is just the speaker wiring.  Also note that you have 8 speakers if you count the independent tweeters.  You may want to series or parallel some of them together.  From my tracing the hatchback speakers seem to have the best bass response so I am thinking of joining them with the back door speakers, unless my radio has a sub out, in that case I may hook them to that.  I need to have a look at the aftermarket radio.

Comments and corrections are welcome.  regging@gmail.com or here...

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 on: January 14, 2019, 05:59:10 PM 
Started by phififofum - Last post by Pontiac6KSTEAWD
Welcome to the forums... Such as they are.. Unfortunately, this forum has almost but died. Most everyone that use to post here has moved over to the FaceBook Pontiac Aztek Club..

https://www.facebook.com/groups/207147849401250/

If its not the right radio, it may not be sending out the right can-bus signal to the amp. You would have to ask over on the facebook side to see if they can help..
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 on: January 13, 2019, 04:51:13 PM 
Started by phififofum - Last post by reggind
Howdy Folks.  I am so happy to have found this thread.  I am hoping someone here may be able to help me.  I just bought an Aztek the other day.  The rear most speakers have the controls on them and are labeled Pioneer premium audio, so I am assuming i thad that system in it when new.  WHen I looked at the car, the radio did not work, so the dealer tried sticking in an aftermarket radio, and much to his dismay, that did not work either.  I got him to let me have the origional radio, which I discovered today is probably not the original radio, but just some double din radio that someone along the way thought might be plug and play, and the aftermarket radio they tried installing.  The problem they had was you got great audio out of the radio right at the output terminals, but nothing out of the speakers.  At first they thought the speakers were bad, and took one of the doors apart to try to replace it, but the speaker in the door seems to be fine.  The odds of all of the front and back speaker wires and or speakers being defective seems pretty low.  I suspect this setup has an amp in it and the speaker wires going to the radio hole in the dash continue on to the amp, and than to the speakers.  This would mean that either the amp is dead or the amp is not getting power.  Is there a wire in the radio harness that needs power to turn the amps on?  If the amps are defective, is it hard to bypass them?  I would not want to have to run new speaker wires to all of the speakers.  This is the only site I have been able to find that seems to have a clue as to the audio options in an Aztek.  Any thoughts or ideas are appreciated.
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 on: January 13, 2019, 04:49:15 PM 
Started by phififofum - Last post by reggind
Howdy Folks.  I am so happy to have found this thread.  I am hoping someone here may be able to help me.  I just bought an Aztek the other day.  The rear most speakers have the controls on them and are labeled Pioneer premium audio, so I am assuming i thad that system in it when new.  WHen I looked at the car, the radio did not work, so the dealer tried sticking in an aftermarket radio, and much to his dismay, that did not work either.  I got him to let me have the origional radio, which I discovered today is probably not the original radio, but just some double din radio that someone along the way thought might be plug and play, and the aftermarket radio they tried installing.  The problem they had was you got great audio out of the radio right at the output terminals, but nothing out of the speakers.  At first they thought the speakers were bad, and took one of the doors apart to try to replace it, but the speaker in the door seems to be fine.  The odds of all of the front and back speaker wires and or speakers being defective seems pretty low.  I suspect this setup has an amp in it and the speaker wires going to the radio hole in the dash continue on to the amp, and than to the speakers.  This would mean that either the amp is dead or the amp is not getting power.  Is there a wire in the radio harness that needs power to turn the amps on?  If the amps are defective, is it hard to bypass them?  I would not want to have to run new speaker wires to all of the speakers.  This is the only site I have been able to find that seems to have a clue as to the audio options in an Aztek.  Any thoughts or ideas are appreciated.
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 on: January 09, 2019, 10:39:05 AM 
Started by Cokeologist - Last post by Pontiac6KSTEAWD
The plastic trim strip idea is awesome-and it looks great!

I live in the PNW where it doesn't get hot enough for this to happen, at least it hasn't yet.

WRT the Versatrak issue, I guess I'm lucky mine's still good at 231K miles.  I just change the expensive fluid every several years..  it's groaning again so I need to do that soon.  Someday it will fail, but I will rebuild it as I've rebuilt other limited slip differentials before, it can't be that tough.  Should probably buy the overhaul kit while I still can.

Its actually not possible from my readings and understandings. The internals are not available.
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 on: January 08, 2019, 12:53:10 AM 
Started by zombienerd - Last post by Tronman
No idea about the reporter thing..

But my Aztek is and has been at full power ever since I..  repaired the ABS wiring to the front wheels and checked/cleaned that notorious connector under the driver's seat.

The AWD disable and ABS lights went out, and I miraculously had full power once again.  None of the other stuff I thought it was, was really the problem.  Judging by the repair which actually fixed the problem, there is some sort of torque request limit that happens when the AWD and/or ABS systems aren't working and the computers get confused and you get no power.

I've heard of a subtle wiring flaw between the brake ABS computer and the PCM also causing this problem.
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 on: January 08, 2019, 12:42:19 AM 
Started by Cokeologist - Last post by Tronman
The plastic trim strip idea is awesome-and it looks great!

I live in the PNW where it doesn't get hot enough for this to happen, at least it hasn't yet.

WRT the Versatrak issue, I guess I'm lucky mine's still good at 231K miles.  I just change the expensive fluid every several years..  it's groaning again so I need to do that soon.  Someday it will fail, but I will rebuild it as I've rebuilt other limited slip differentials before, it can't be that tough.  Should probably buy the overhaul kit while I still can.
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