Anybody know of a 3800 series II supercharged aztek?
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« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2010, 01:31:49 PM »

I promised an update if I came across something  so here it is.....   I have found a GTP with a 3.8 SC with a factory replacement transmission with less than 30 000 km / 18000 miles.     $700 o.bo.
I contacted the poster and they claim it runs well and they want it gone so give them a "best offer",  they have been sitting on it listed in the online classifieds for more than 2 months now.  I am gonna go see it, if it is a decent powertrain then maybe this project may be back on the burner, either yes or no for the project I am still going to see it for the transmission and if I get it will tear it down as a rebuild and will run the mn7 instead of a m15 or m76  ( hd transmission versus the regular model).   I am really curious to see if the GTP axle will make the transmission fit right in the tek. Aside from gear ratio's and the right axle assembly needing be shorter to fit becuase of the heavier assembly, the difference is minimal. If I were rebuilding I'd replace to the upgraded valvebody anyways and the drive chain I heard is different (no biggie).  Don't hold your breath becuase after the last seller  I am unsure.  I hope to make the 20 minute trip Thursday or Friday, I gotta work around the owners schedule.   By the way anyone ever see GTP 5 star wheels on a Tek?    Just curious.

I run GP 5 spokes on my Tel during the winter so the bolt pattern does match up.
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« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2010, 01:26:57 AM »

Looking good so far, again talking to the seller and he told me the transmission is a service replacement crate transmission from gm  Grin.   Also I told him I didn't want to waste each others time and he told me he will work with me on price becuase he just wants to see it go to use rather than the wreckers.  Apparently the car has electrical issues but it sounds to me as though it has a phase out of the alternator, any who, I go see it on Saturday in the light, weather supposed to be good so I'll bring a few bucks and maybe toss the dice on this setup. Time will tell how it pans out,  I won't make the call at night when I can;t see exactly what I want to see.  I'll keep posted.
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« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2010, 05:47:47 PM »

Ladies and gentlemen, what have I done and gotten myself into?  Shocked  I am a glutton for punishment.  Now the research and actual hands on will start, slow at first but I have made the first step. I have just come in from purchasing and driving home a 1998 GTP  coupe with a newer service replacement transmission. I gotta tell you it does kick my azteks A** , and even with a higher mileage engine it really performs well. I am so glad the original deal I looked at fell through, I have ten times the car now, everything is in better shape, and this car was really maintained well aside from the body needing rocker panels. I do not believe it, no oil leaks, clean, and the seller gave me a few bottles of supercharger oil becuase he believes it has to be changed every oil chage.  Good news for me, it means he took care of this car. It has a 2005 exhaust with the newer tips and has full leather interior that will make a great addition to my 50 studebaker resto rod. Only thing I didn't get is the factory radio, and that don't hurt my feelings none.   So I am gonna go over the car the beginning of this week to be sure I am gonna part it for the tek. I will keep you all posted..   Best $400 I spent recently.
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« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2010, 05:52:27 PM »

 :bow: Brenner  :bow: Brenner  :bow: Brenner  :bow: Brenner  :bow:
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« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2010, 06:45:34 PM »

I just found this post on CL.  South Jersey area

3.8L gm V6 w 40,000 m -

Date: 2010-12-04, 3:43AM EST
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I have a 1998, 3.8 GM engine and transmission for sale for $750, 40 k, please contact me at 609-439-1212 if interested, willing to trade for HDMI TV, landscape equipment.

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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2010, 12:06:02 AM »

oh YEA! go brenner go! you da man!
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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2010, 12:43:12 AM »

Went over the engine and transmisson today, boy did I get lucky.  New alternator,  new plug wires, engine is very clean no stains aside from a small drip from the oil pressure sensor, new belts, K&N filter, check the charger and it is tight, I mean it is a great canidate.  If anyone has wiring diagram of the harness and pcm and would like to share please feel free to contact me  I also need those for a 98 gtp coupe.   So it starts..... my madness...  or is it just a continuation? 
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« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2010, 07:16:38 PM »

Been a little slow on this project.  A little bit of a snow storm or thats what they call it atleast.    So for an update,  those that have volunteered to assist in locating information and or parts for the swap have faded out of the picture. Oh well it is what it is.  I have located a new wiring harness for the tek and need to pull it out once the weather has a bit of a warm up. This harness is necessary for a quick swap of the powertrains. I have decided to go against what others have recommended and am going to alter the tek harness to fit the 3800 SC  rather than use the harness from the GTP, mind you I will be removing certain parts of the gtp harness to replace what I need to in the tek harness.  I have done my research on axles and answered my curosities in that area and have visited a GM dealership master technician and have told him what I was attempting in detail and we both agree that what I propose is doable, but time consuming.  With no suprises we think I will only need to visit the dealer to unlock the radio once the swap is completed. We both feel my remedy for the security  and  antilock with traction control will work just fine. I guess time will tell.   I have acquired an older mitchell on demand program for the wiring diagrams but I find they are not as detailed as I was hoping, If anyone cares to share a set of GM diagrams for either or both cars it would be greatly appreciated but not expected. I am starting to see alot of teks coming up as parts cars and it makes me feel as if I am wasting my time, kind of depressing, but as I search online I cannot find another tek that has been modded with the 3800SC. Many talk but no one I can find has done it, this makes it more of a challenge for me.  I guess my next step is to purchase the afore mentioned harness and start modifying it for my swap.   I also believe I have a second GTP coming my way, I have been in communication with a seller and went to see the car today snowstorm and all. He wants it gone (or his wife does), I offered scrap price, he asked for a few parts (I said I only want the powertrain) and told me he thinks he'll call on Friday for me to come get it becuase I am the only one who came to see it and is willing to come get it (probably the weather or time of year).  Time will tell, I have no use for it other than spare parts, it runs well and no smoke or noises but it is not a nice as the GTP I have already.
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« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2010, 01:11:44 PM »

Brenner - I've got the 2 volume Helms shop manuals for the 2001 Aztek and Rendezvous  - if you need a diagram you can't get hold of, let me know and I'll see if I can scan it and send it to you.

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« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2010, 02:04:10 AM »

 Wolfy1969 , I'd like to take you up on your offer of possibly providing me with a set of wiring diagrams from Helms.  I have done some research and have learned that others claim Helms manuals to be as equal quality to original shop manuals and I feel this would be of interest to me. I am currently working with Mitchel On Demand diagrams but they are not specific enough on certain pin outs. Pin outs would really help but wiring diagrams also would really help. As I mentioned earlier, starting and running the engine and engine out controls are not a problem, my concern is I want to be sure the bcm, abs, and other components have no need to not communicate and set dtcs. I have read on a few site that some ecms run the guages in certain vehicles but I do not think it applies to the tek but I am doing my homework to be sure.  Again I want my tek to look as if factory optioned with the 3800 SC in place. A wiring diagram of the pcm out would be nice and if it is not to much to ask maybe a insturment panel wiring diagram to prove or disprove the theory I have heard that the pcm runs the guages.  Feel free to PM if you will and I will send you an email address, but please do not feel obligated to do so. In return I will try to assist you in any way I can either through information or advice etc....   Thank you kindly.
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« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2010, 04:27:06 PM »

If you get this done you'll be my hero. I can't wait till my engine's gone so I have to replace it with a 3800 SC
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« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2010, 03:42:08 PM »

I've thought about this for my Rendezvous when/if the motor gives out.  I've done some thinking about the project and the electronics is what had me most confused.  I suppose you could piggyback and run two pcms.  I also looked and the firing order for the 3400 while different would work for the 3800 by swapping two of the coils.  I can check my notes when I get home to see what it was exactly.  Also, I never looked, but I would be curious to know if the fuel mapping and spark was similar enough to just use the 3400pcm with the 3800 engine or if it would be possible to modify the PCM to the 3800 mapping.

Anyway, I haven't done enough research to be too much help, but I would be interested in following your progress.  Couple of questions for you too.  Do you have all wheel drive?  If so, could you take the HD part of the 4L65HD and place on the 4L65AWD keeping it all wheel drive and HD?  I know people have swapped parts on a normal 4L65E to make it an HD.

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« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2010, 10:03:26 AM »

What if we swap something else??? I mean, so far even for such a straight forward conversion still seems too complicated specially for AWD Azteks, I want to retain the AWD on my Tek or even improve it, so I was thinking why not upgrading with an longitudinal engine and transfer case? Maybe a from a Turbo Subaru AWD or an H6 from an SVX, their setup maintains a lower center of gravity and the engines have a lot of torque. Or maybe a Toyota V6 from a Tacoma, or something.... well I'm tripping here, lol.

See, I used to have a Buick Reatta 3800 V6 and I saw a couple straight 3800SC engine swaps with not much problems, why is our Aztek such a big deal?? It should be easier, right?? What about using the FWD V8 from an Olds Aurora or Northstar V8 from a Cadillac?? I mean if V6 Impalas and Monte Carlos have a FWD V8 on their SS models, maybe that 300HP engine will fit on our Azteks, right?? Yeah more money but a looot more performance and eficiency!!!!
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« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2010, 02:24:23 PM »

Spin,  to answer your questions directed to me :  My tek is FWD only,  and to my knowledge swaping components from a 4T65E-HD to an 4T65E- AWD will not be possible as what makes a HD a HD is the larger final drive. You owning an AWD unit cannot to my knowledge replace your final drive with the HD unit becuase you couple into a transfer case for the rear axle assembly.  I may be wrong but I am pretty sure this is the case. I do know that some 4T65E-HD have a heavier chain and I am sure this can be swapped with the right following components etc..  but there really is no benefit unless you wish to mod the vehicle. In my application I am not attempting to replace my powertrain for race or extensive mod  but rather only want a little more power for towing and will leave the powertrain GM stock aside from the swap and a K&N air filter also becuase I am having some transmission issues with my current setup.  I also would like to succeed where others haven't as of yet,  but this will come at a price.   You are correct when you state that the electronics are the most difficult with this swap and currently I am studying the baud rate of the serial data between the UART (GTP  5volt reference, wired in series) and Class II (Tek  7volt reference,wired with a star topology ).  I am trying to see if I can run without going the piggy back method, as I feel it uprofessional but I will use what method I will have to.  I do not agree with using the 3400 fuel mapping for the 3800 as it is quite different and the spark and injector sequence is quite different and I already have inquired the program of a 3400 pcm to 3800SC bin  but the pcm is routed differently therefore will give negative results. I am still confident the best route is to use a Tek harness and repin the pcm and necessary component leads to it, or atleast this is my theory.  I am confident the engine will run and power the vehicle and am confident about the mechanical fit, but what I am unsure and researching is the serial data ( communication) which in turn makes the guages and component information work correctly.   If I am gonna do this I want to take pride in my results and just patching it together is for the hacks ( no insult to anyone who may take offence).    I have just brought the GTP in the shop and am gonna start trimming the harness as the Tek has less wires  due to the class II data system than the GTP thus my belief in using the tek harness.   I have also gone over the pin outs for both pcms and here are my thoughts:  Both pcm use the same connectors, of the 80 pins the majority for the transmission control and power and ground are in the exact same position, so why would I not repin the minority terminals to use my GTP pcm, rather than wire in a different harness and have it look non original?  Constructive comments or opinions are welcomed by all and those that are non constructive are not.  In my opinion everyone has a different way of looking at things, but to perform a challenge as this you need to keep an open mind.
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« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2010, 02:49:02 PM »

Brenner, you are much farther into the project then I have thought about.  Good luck with the electronics.  Like I said I plan on following your post and see what the outcome is.  I wasn't sure of the AWD transmission output.  I haven't looked at that side of it very close.  Upgrading the chain would be easy though.  Hopefully I'm a few years away from this project.
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